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["Matthew Stuart" <m.stuart(--nospam--at)aespj.com>]

You are incorrect, the tiles act as 
a flat arch with the concrete slab acting as a topping or wear surface 
only.  Please refer to Principles of Tile Engineering, Handbook of Design, 
Plummer & Wanner, Published by Structural Clay Products Institute, 
1947

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It's my understanding that the tiles in this type of construction were intended
to be just permanent formwork for the concrete slabs.  I've seen similar
conditions in an old hotel renovated for office space in which the tiles were
broken or badly deteriorated, but the concrete was in satisfactory condition.
If you can justify the slab's capacity for flexural tension as an unreinforced
slab, I wouldn't think it's a problem.  Although, if the reason you were
requested to review this is because someone had a tile fall through their
ceiling, you may have a bigger problem on your hands, if the tie-rods have
loosened over time and caused the tiles to fall.  Of course, if the concrete
slab doesn't check out, then damn, you've got your hands full.  Could you
expand on the situation?  It seemed fairly innocuous at first, but now I'm
curious.

Mark Nowmos

"Daley, John" wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> I am in the midst of trying to repair a clay tile flat arch floor structure
> (circa 1890-1910 A.D.)
>
> Background:
>
> The floor structure is steel beams (12WF) between 4'-0" and 6'-0" o.c. with
> a clay tile flat arch(12" x 12" x 12" thick units) between beams.  The arch
> is put into compression by steel tie rods drawn between the wide flange
> beams.  This "infill" is then topped with a 5" cast cinder concrete deck.
>
> Problem:
>
> Several of the tiles have fallen or are damaged.  The concrete deck is still
> intact.
>
> Question:
>
> Has anyone had experience with this?  I need to develop details and a repair
> criteria.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> BTW:  There is access to the floor from below.  The client has requested
> that the floor area above remain operational during the repair work.
>
> Have a good day,
>
> John
>
> John T. Daley, P.E.
> Structural Engineer
> mailto:daley(--nospam--at)mcclier.com
> M
> 401 E Illinois
> Chicago IL 60611
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> 312-836-7710 (fax)
> http://www.mcclier.com
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